tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post1080340594893054064..comments2024-01-15T04:46:58.572-05:00Comments on Atheist Camel: My last word on the Ham vs. Nye debacle... I mean... debate. Dromedary Humphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-25505877995605853352014-02-13T12:29:34.398-05:002014-02-13T12:29:34.398-05:00I found out about this "debate" on Faceb...I found out about this "debate" on Facebook. From the start I knew Bill Nye had lost. By participating in this nonsense, he ceded victory to Ken Ham. So I'm in 100% agreement with you, Atheist Camel. Nye gave credibility to Ham. I think it has done more harm than good. It's bad enough that Ham and his ilk are continually attacking reason, thus undermining future generations ability to reason. But to see him as a debating partner, I don't think so.<br /><br />Bookish BabeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-90999538220451178062014-02-11T17:31:19.687-05:002014-02-11T17:31:19.687-05:00You know Hump, I usually agree with you. But you a...You know Hump, I usually agree with you. But you are way off base here. The problem isn't the misogynist christofascist homophobe CREaTINistS, after all even they enjoy freedom of thought and freedom of worship. The problem is the dumbfucks are allowed to vote, and even worse, hold public office. This is a <i>prima facie</i> violation of separation of church and state.<br /><br />The ONLY way to separate church and state is to insist every individual choose either to be a member of a religion OR to be eligible to vote and run for office. You want to vote? No problem, renounce all religion. You want to worship mythical figures? That's up to you but then you can't vote. Take your pick. <br /><br />Imagine what the roads would be like if we didn't separate northbound traffic from southbound traffic. They'd be just as fucked up as our deity-infected governments.<br /><br />Love your blog, Hump. Keep up the great work!Riley the Atheist Dognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-54256111015045541482014-02-11T08:17:13.717-05:002014-02-11T08:17:13.717-05:00Chatpilot,
"In fact, they don't think at...Chatpilot,<br /><br />"<i>In fact, they don't think at all. Their entire arguments and beliefs are not based on objective and empirical facts but rather on faith.</i>"<br /><br />You're 110% right here, and it makes your further comment of "these types of debates pointless" right on the mark: They're a total waste of time and energy. <br /><br />It's like trying to debate the finer points of music with someone who was born deaf, or discuss advanced painting styles and techniques with someone born blind.<br /><br />Pissing against the wind. In fact, there is one thing I simply don't understand, and that is: WHY WOULD SOMEONE WITH A REASONABLE BRAIN AND SOME YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OF LIFE WANT TO EVEN WASTE ANY TIME AT ALL IN THIS ULTIMATE EXERCISE IN FUTILITY?<br /><br />PS: congrats for having saved yourself from the hell of fundamentalism.WhyNotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-26311176771451691562014-02-10T16:11:11.425-05:002014-02-10T16:11:11.425-05:00As a former fundamentalist Christian myself there ...As a former fundamentalist Christian myself there is one component that keeps being left out regarding these types of discussions or debates. Fundies like prepubescent teenage boys don't think with thier heads. In fact, they don't think at all. Their entire arguments and beliefs are not based on objective and empirical facts but rather on faith. <br /><br />They did not become believers through the pursuit of intellectual integrity or research but rather through an emotional response to a need. I too think that these types of debates are pointless.<br /><br />There is but so much you can say at a debate. The only way to learn about evolution is to read about evolution from reliable scientific sources. Not from biased creationists propaganda. For the most part:when it comes to fundamentalists you are preaching to the choir.Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-91345647565642150212014-02-09T23:30:53.686-05:002014-02-09T23:30:53.686-05:00I think the debate was a bad idea. I do think that...I think the debate was a bad idea. I do think that some good can and will come from it, but overall I think the bad outweighs the good. I like the idea of putting a sharp witty comedian in a debate, excellent idea. <br /> I disagree with Nan in MD and anon. YEC fundies do change their minds and debate, reason, logic and evidence can help. I know this because I was one who did.<br /> I cannot point to any one thing that changed my mind, but all of it adds up. Even the ridicule helped in my case. I just don't think this dabate was an overall worthwhile investment.<br />In reason,<br />Zarzartonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16327431316839912762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-63502176163583917302014-02-09T14:38:24.747-05:002014-02-09T14:38:24.747-05:00Nye gave him legitimacy. It should never have tak...Nye gave him legitimacy. It should never have taken place. Those fundies will never, ever, change their minds.Nan in MDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-83466725259791000882014-02-09T14:04:47.859-05:002014-02-09T14:04:47.859-05:00As though Einstein would soil his hands.
As thoug... As though Einstein would soil his hands.<br /><br />As though Einstein would soil his intellect.<br /><br />I've been scrupulously ignoring the debate in question. I know from personal experience that one can never convince an evolution denier by reason or logic or mountains of evidence that they are f-word WRONG!!!<br /><br />I stopped trying with my immediate family decades ago. I just hope they can be stopped teaching their lies in our schools. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-38620701089752461572014-02-09T10:36:24.870-05:002014-02-09T10:36:24.870-05:00What annoys me here (on top of all the things you ...What annoys me here (on top of all the things you have mentioned) is that Bill Nye participated in spreading this idea that science can be settle by a debate. That is obviously not to say that science shies away from the confrontation of different ideas and perspective (this is precisely how science moves on), but there is a reason why scientists don't do debates like this. It's because it is generally futile and "winning" in this case has more to do with rhetorical skills and charisma rather than having strong empirical arguments. The whole exercise is sending the wrong message, basically saying that two media personalities with no formal training in biology (with all due respect to Bill Nye) can settle complex scientific questions with a simple discussion.Sven Svenssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796683878898663352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-52827372016717729702014-02-09T10:14:09.619-05:002014-02-09T10:14:09.619-05:00By the way, I love your Atheist Camel books. They...By the way, I love your Atheist Camel books. They get right to the point and are extremely entertaining. I respect your point of view on the Nye/Ham debate, however I not only enjoyed watching Nye make Ham look like a fool, but I learned a few things myself. Nye didn't directly denigrate religion and as a result I think he earned some respect from the Creationists. <br /><br />I agree with you that he probably didn't change many minds but he at least planted the seed of doubt into some Creationists' minds and hopefully some 'young-uns.'<br /><br />Nye's approach was hardly what Dawkins or Hitch would have used but he kept it simple enough for the vast majority to understand, I hope. <br /><br />Thanks again for your fabulous books which put Creationists and their ilk in their rightful place - at the bottom of the ladder.RickRayFSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-9072341889260217402014-02-09T09:55:00.964-05:002014-02-09T09:55:00.964-05:00Gotta agree with Anonymous. Were I Bill Nye I'...Gotta agree with Anonymous. Were I Bill Nye I'd have run the George Carlin YouTube on religion. Uncut.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-57841564192418082152014-02-08T16:39:23.664-05:002014-02-08T16:39:23.664-05:00
Stand up comedians. It gives the correct level of...<br />Stand up comedians. It gives the correct level of respect to the opposition, comedians are all about showmanship, think fast on their feet and could do more with a cutting remark than any listing of facts. Fact-backed ridicule is the way to go.<br /><br />I nominate Dara Ó Briain <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com