tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post1633360283648374076..comments2024-01-15T04:46:58.572-05:00Comments on Atheist Camel: To the Terminally Religious "Non-Belief = Religion."Dromedary Humphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-73264375890728387422022-01-17T07:15:28.414-05:002022-01-17T07:15:28.414-05:00Welcome to new generation mobile application live ...Welcome to new generation mobile application live play free cricket game online at fantasypower11 and win real <br />huge amount by creating your team with 11 players.<br /><a href="https://fantasypower11.com/" rel="nofollow">most dangerous batsman in ipl</a><br /><a href="https://fantasypower11.com/" rel="nofollow">new fantasy cricket app</a>fantasypower11https://www.blogger.com/profile/16158262540259337568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-29938201650366292572009-12-27T12:21:47.350-05:002009-12-27T12:21:47.350-05:00Good for you! Vigilance is our best defense again...Good for you! Vigilance is our best defense against creeping theism in schools.Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-75337774713861152922009-12-26T23:04:49.294-05:002009-12-26T23:04:49.294-05:00I am so glad we had our little chat about "be...I am so glad we had our little chat about "belief" on that other post. Otherwise my head would have spun around ten times and exploded in agony if I'd read this one first. Many thanks!<br /><br />Hump: "My interest, my "zeal" if you will, is directed toward keeping religious assholes from inflicting their disregard for scientific evidence and reality on children in public schools;"<br /><br />When I found a slightly-larger-than-postcard sized ADVERTISEMENT in my children's school folders for a new local mega-church last month I nearly threw a Baptist church sized tantrum. Then I flipped the card over. Oh of course.... they're giving away food boxes for Thanksgiving... <br /><br />The ONLY reason why they could get away with sending that crap home with kids is because of the needy families in the community. <br /><br />I called the school and spoke with the principal. Not surprising, really- he didn't know what I was talking about. He had no idea that teachers were giving the cards out to kids.Angelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10724264061719518367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-29430258244727458712009-10-27T18:07:58.641-04:002009-10-27T18:07:58.641-04:00Vicki,
My sympathies for being a float in a sea o...Vicki,<br /><br />My sympathies for being a float in a sea of believers. I can't even imagine how stiffling that must be.<br /><br />Glad you like my blog. Come back often.<br /><br />HumpDromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-16049306905597692412009-10-27T10:33:50.549-04:002009-10-27T10:33:50.549-04:00I am atheist in ALABAMA, if you can imagine. May ...I am atheist in ALABAMA, if you can imagine. May be the only one in the state. Swimming in a pool of Christians who have twenty cats and post email prayer requests at work all day.<br /><br />Such a beacon in the night to find this blog. Have read tons of material from like-minded persons but never explored this venue.<br /><br />One coworker's preacher wants to meet me (probably never seen a real atheist) so thought I would collect additional atheist intelligence from the source. Thanks for being there!Vicki in Alabamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12941340581257687156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-27064690379406644852009-09-08T12:32:19.778-04:002009-09-08T12:32:19.778-04:00LOLOL! I agree Flip and Anon...It's just ridic...LOLOL! I agree Flip and Anon...It's just ridiculous.<br /><br />I think the extreme religious nuts would have SOME credibility if they simply said they didn't like President Obama's left-leaning policies...or if they said they didn't like the fact that he was black. At least that would be honest. President Bush got his fair share of comparisons to Hitler from the far left when he was in office, but no one hated him because he was white, since white presidents are the norm. I don't think ANY Democratic president has seen the kind of hatred that President Obama has...and he isn't even a year into his first term yet. Where's all this "Christian love" I've heard about? LOL!Rachellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-14758717262717038752009-09-08T12:16:17.897-04:002009-09-08T12:16:17.897-04:00Tsk Tsk Tsk,
Everyone KNOWS that Bill Gates is th...Tsk Tsk Tsk,<br /><br />Everyone KNOWS that Bill Gates is the antichrist - He's the power behind US (and other world leaders):<br /><br />Proof that Bill Gates is the devil: The real name of Bill Gates is William Henry Gates III. Nowadays, he is known as Bill Gates (III), where III means order of the third (3rd). In converting the letters of his current name to ASCII- VALUES:<br /><br /><br />B - 66<br />I - 73<br />L - 76<br />L - 76<br />G - 71<br />A - 65<br />T - 84<br />E - 69<br />S - 83<br />I - 1<br />I - 1<br />I - 1<br />-------<br />666<br />-------<br />THE NUMBER OF THE DEVIL.... <br /><br /><br />Seriously,<br /><br />You put into Google a name of a famous leader or very wealthy person, antichrist and scriptures, and you're going to find someone somewhere claiming that person is the antichrist. Sometimes it's humor, but more often then not it's some religous whackadoo tring to spread FUD (Fear, uncertainty and doubt).<br /><br />- FastthumbsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-91917046031437015472009-09-08T12:07:41.968-04:002009-09-08T12:07:41.968-04:00You guys aren't gonna believe I'm saying t...You guys aren't gonna believe I'm saying this -- but -- you're so right on. What a total idiot this guy and his ilk are. Of course no thinking atheist would say stuff like this. Neither would a theist with, as hump likes to put it, "a brain stem." As for the disclaimer at the end, it's the height of irresponsibility. "I'm not saying your dad's a bad guy; I'm just saying that he screwed your little sister from the time she was 4 years old. I'm just reporting -- you decide." What a load of BSfliptophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399082676009573696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-81761635850961305122009-09-07T14:41:01.591-04:002009-09-07T14:41:01.591-04:00Cheers Hump! :)
LOLOL!
I'm laughing, but par...Cheers Hump! :)<br /><br />LOLOL!<br /><br />I'm laughing, but part of me is also a bit nervous that some disturbed dumbass will take that video message (and similar messages from other media) seriously and feel it's his "calling" or duty to kill our president. <br /><br />I've never seen this much blatant stupidity in all my life. You'd think Jesus would have made things easier for his frenzied flock and simply wrote (in English of course and not that damn pesky Hebrew, LOL!): "The 44th President of the U.S. will be Barack Obama. He is Satan. Some will think it's Hitler...but I don't pay you to think and I'm telling you it is Barack Obama who is Satan."...People wouldn't understand the message "at the time" ("What's a president...and what is the United States?") but that's how it would be written. LOL! "God works in mysterious ways" but why write in mysterious codes for idiots to decipher when he could just spell it out simply and plainly? <br /><br />If I were President Obama and really wanted to f--k with the minds of the religious nuts, I'd don a red "devil suit" complete with horns, tail and pitchfork for Halloween. The First Lady could don a witch costume for good measure. Then just sit back and watch the fun begin. I wanna see Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck's heads explode at the shock of finally being "right" about those Obamas. LOL!Rachellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-55210356027839791342009-09-06T20:11:44.849-04:002009-09-06T20:11:44.849-04:00In keeping with what I wrote above, about there be...In keeping with what I wrote above, about there being no instances of organized atheists promoting the crazy things christians do, watch this video: <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK_zh-X21f0<br /><br />Now, I'd like someone to show me an example of an organized atheist offdeing that reaches anything akin to this level of idiocy.<br /><br />How many Christians would you imagine buy what this video is saying? 10%? 25%? Are we a better country for their gulibility and moronic delusion?<br /><br />How many atheists/thinkig people buy into this video's idiocy? <br /><br />This is called undeniable proof of some percentage of christians who are promoting hate,fear, perversion of scripture, and some percentage who buy into it willingly and blindly. They use the "word of God" to do it, as religionists have been doing for eons.<br /><br /> There is NOTHING comparable to it among rational thinking people aka Atheists. <br /><br />I'll say it again... religion is a blight. The world would be better off without it.Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-18860879703205894542009-09-06T18:52:35.491-04:002009-09-06T18:52:35.491-04:00Rachelle,
You can speak on my behalf any day.
Wel...Rachelle,<br /><br />You can speak on my behalf any day.<br />Well said.<br /><br />HumpDromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-27055845872238914832009-09-06T14:53:22.438-04:002009-09-06T14:53:22.438-04:00Flip said:
"Meanwhile, does anyone want to r...Flip said:<br /><br />"Meanwhile, does anyone want to respond to my statement that "Science is a sure path to certain knowledge" is a belief statement? I'd thought that was pretty close to on topic."<br />.<br />.<br />I suppose someone might "believe" that...but believing it doesn't necessarily make it true...I would say that science offers a BETTER path to knowledge/understanding things than any religious texts...But that's not what I "believe"...that's the truth. Religious texts (Bible and Koran) maintain that the earth is flat...even though we know that NOW to be false. Science, unlike many religions, is progressive. And as I said...science is the best tool we have for figuring things out.Rachellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-14908563462406223102009-09-06T14:14:19.297-04:002009-09-06T14:14:19.297-04:00Flip said:
"It seems that the only way for y...Flip said:<br /><br />"It seems that the only way for you guys to have a discussion (I'm not speaking of other atheists, just the few I've met in this room) is to call people idiots, irrational, etc., if they don't share the a-theistic point of view."<br /><br />"Do you, or do you not, accept "testimony" or "narrative" as evidentiary?"<br />.<br />.<br />Pass me your fiddle, please...cuz now YOU'RE the one who's "whining." LOL! <br /><br />Kidding aside, Flip..."Testimony and narrative" mean little to nothing if you are interested in facts and truth. There are billions of theists in the world who all have a different version of a "narrative" or a "testimony." If they were ALL on the same page the world over, inc. remote areas, you might have a point about at least one god existing....but I would still want to see peer-tested scientific proof. LOL!<br /><br />But would you as a Christian (I'm assuming) accept the words of a Muslim, Sikh or Hindu who presented THEIR testimony to you? Why assume that YOUR religion out of 1000's is the "right" one? If you were born in India, you'd probably practice Hinduism...If you were born in Iran, you'd probably be defending the Koran instead of the Bible. That's culture and upbringing...not evidence. <br /><br />I noticed you apologized for "those other Christians" and THEIR kooky religious rituals (magic undies ARE funny though, LOL!)...or dismissed them all together ("Mormons are silly."). Why?<br /><br />"Evidence" presented in a court of law, esp. in the west, SHOULD BE the same as evidence for the existence of gods...ANY gods...and that is empirical evidence. "Here's the gun used to kill Mr. Smith...We have the shell casings and the striations match."..."Here are the fossil remains of Jesus...and oh look, fossils of Mithras, Ra and Jupiter were found as well." LOL! Of course there would go "monotheism" out the window.<br /><br />Like Hump said, science is still young...but it is the best TOOL we have for figuring things out.Rachellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-34628232672392786212009-09-06T12:17:00.678-04:002009-09-06T12:17:00.678-04:00Flip...
no one here said all theists are extrenmi...Flip...<br /><br />no one here said all theists are extrenmists. No one here said atheists are a victimized minority. You are attributing alot of statements to people here that were never made. I find that really irritating and intellectually dishonest. But I sense that is what your intent is here. I'm not going to tolerate it indefinitly. <br /><br /><br />What we did say is this: that there exists a significant percentage of theists-- christian, muslim, et al,-- who promulgate some bad shit in our culture and on civilization and which negatively impacts on women, gays, and people who believe religion and gov't should be separate, medical and scientific advancement, etc., etc. Bob and I mentioned just some of them...which you have still opted to ignore. <br /><br />Whether these represent 30%, 50%, or 75% of religionists is not at all the point since we (or at least I) don't condemn all theists simply for having blind supernaturalist beliefs. <br /><br /> My condemnation is reserved for those who represent a clear and present danger to secular freedoms; the right of women to control their bodies; the rights of minority people be they gays, Jews, non-believers, etc., to not be classified as 2nd class citizens and subject to the religious whims of the majority religion; truncating the advancement of science that can better our existence; and the promulgation of polices in an effort to promulgate "prophecy fulfiklment that discourage peace, and encourage unrest and war. <br /><br />I know of NO atheist foundations/ organizations in this country that do what I described above. It seems to be the purview of religious fanatics, extremists, fundamentalists. There is no denying their existence, and their influence.<br /><br /> If you recognise this and understand it to be fact, then trying to infer we paint all believers with the same brush when you know damn well we dont is bullshit. So Stop it. <br /><br /><br />As for "evidence" -- there is no testamony from eyewitness in any scripture. All the authors of the gospel, the synoptic gospels, and John, were second/third hand "hearsay." While hearsay is testamony it is the least valued evidence in any court of law. <br /><br />Even the few mentions of Jesus's existence by non scriptual sources were 1st,and 2nd century non-eyewitness accts. (No, don't bring up Josephus'... that writing has already been discredited as having been altered post Josephus.) <br /> <br />In fact, hearsay evidence alone would be inadmissable as proof of a positive assertion. <br /><br />But no one gives a shit what you base your beliefs on, or what justification you use to keep your faith in the face of modernity and the scientifc age. If hearsay is good enough for you, youre welcome to it. You don't owe us any justification. And frankly, I don't want to hear it. <br /> As long as you do not fall into the group of theists whose brand of belief causes them to be activists in ways that are repugnant and in opposition to peace, freedom, intellectual and scientific advancment, I don't give a fuck what you believe.Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-39362494705814512442009-09-06T11:55:20.308-04:002009-09-06T11:55:20.308-04:00Fliptop, No one said All Christians did this or th...Fliptop, No one said All Christians did this or that. That is your silliness. I see that you actually have no point to make here. You just talk all around an issue. When you actually have a point to make, I might read more from you. Until then, I won't bother since all you seem to <i>need</i> to do is argue for argument's sake.NewEnglandBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190715223856189053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-47774103910566336812009-09-06T09:27:32.195-04:002009-09-06T09:27:32.195-04:00Wow.
It seems that the only way for you guys to ha...Wow.<br />It seems that the only way for you guys to have a discussion (I'm not speaking of other atheists, just the few I've met in this room) is to call people idiots, irrational, etc., if they don't share the a-theistic point of view. That's charitable.<br />That some Xns have an eating code does not imply that all Xns do. That some Muslims have harangued non-believers does not imply that all Muslims do.<br />Mormons are just as silly as freemasons, imho.<br />Sure there is xenophobia in the texts. As there is theist-o-phobia in many of the posts in here. Glass houses...<br />Of course it's inhumane and irrational to advocate killing people the way you find such stuff in the Bible. There are some Christians (and others, I suppose) who are crazy enough to advocate this. Does that mean that all theists should be lumped into the same batch of crazies? I wouldn't think that would be exactly fair.<br />Nor would I think it fair to say that all atheists think that believers' heads would explode, or that all believers are total idiots or nincompoops or, well, blah blah blah with the juvenile prattle and name-calling that seems to pass for rational discussion.<br /><br />Testimony (I'm not talking about public witnessing) is, quite simply, "This is what I have seen (or experienced)." That's what it is in a court of law, and that is, in essence, what it is in courts of law. It does not, in itself, have evidential value (usually). But if I have 150 eye-witnesses to a crime who all give the same testimony (and it's clear they're not cooking up the same story), but without csi-like evidence to support the testimony, the court will indeed consider their testimony as valid. That's all I'm saying.<br />Thus, if you bracket out all forms of personal narrative or testimony as BS from the outset, you have simply begged the question regarding the possibility of belief, because belief rests on testimony and narrative. It's like saying "I'll agree that yellow cows exist on the dark side of the moon if 10,000 astronauts with super flashlights can take a picture of them", while at the same time denying the admissibility of pictures taken with super flashlights. You've assumed your conclusion (begged the question), and bracketed out the possibility of a different conclusion by the way youset up the problem. Doesn't seem quite fair. <br />I'll just sit back now and wait for the "stay on the discussion" objection to arise.fliptophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399082676009573696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-7399650014011295262009-09-06T08:39:29.249-04:002009-09-06T08:39:29.249-04:00"Christians do not have a code for eating, an...<i>"Christians do not have a code for eating, and neither halal nor kosher are codified into law in any western nations."</i><br /><br />There was a code for many years about fish on Friday and there are religious restrictions during lent. Your statement is false.<br /><br />It is irrelevant that kosher and halal are not codified in law.<br /><br /><i>"I've never seen a Muslim emerge from a mosque to harangue an atheistic passerby to make him/her come in and pray."</i><br /><br />I can point to hundreds of news reports that your statement is false.<br /><br /><i>"magic underpants"</i> is a reference to Mormons.<br /><br /><i>Xenophobia:</i> I can give you quotes from the old and new testament and the Koran - they are full of xenophobia and they <b>define</b> in-group verses out-group fears.<br /><br /><i>"irrational views"</i> - tell us how the bible commandment to murder one's own child if he/she disobeys is rational in any sense? Saying that its only irrational if you don't believe is the stupid statement of the week.NewEnglandBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190715223856189053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-65431161026690228812009-09-06T08:29:50.089-04:002009-09-06T08:29:50.089-04:00fliptop, of course you obfuscate your meanings, ju...fliptop, of course you obfuscate your meanings, just so you can make an idiotic case.<br /><br />"Testimony" and "evidence" and "narrative" in a religious sense is exactly the <b>opposite</b> of what it means in the judicial system in western countries.<br /><br />Straw man arguments are juvenile.NewEnglandBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190715223856189053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-59315664074606420702009-09-06T06:29:30.142-04:002009-09-06T06:29:30.142-04:00Oh. One other reply to NEBob -- I think we may hav...Oh. One other reply to NEBob -- I think we may have to reform the judicial systems of most western nations if testimony and narrative are not accepted as having evidential value (not the greatest value, I'll grant you, but value nonetheless).<br /><br />Meanwhile, does anyone want to respond to my statement that "Science is a sure path to certain knowledge" is a belief statement? I'd thought that was pretty close to on topic.fliptophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399082676009573696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-89020194276612341182009-09-06T06:25:24.430-04:002009-09-06T06:25:24.430-04:00NEBob:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evid...NEBob:<br />http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evidentiary<br /><br />"Evidentiary" is a word. That argument direct enough?<br /><br />(Should I catalog all the misspellings of the other posters?)<br /><br />You say:<br />"It is their need to tell us what to eat, when and with whom to have sex, what hours we must pray to their fake deity, their magic underpants and their xenophobia and other irrational rules that they 'know' are the 'truth' - these are the highly objectionable behaviors that must be stopped."<br /><br />to eat -- Christians do not have a code for eating, and neither halal nor kosher are codified into law in any western nations.<br /><br />to have sex -- you got theists, at least right wing Xns, on that one.<br /><br />hours to pray -- you refer to the public nature of the Muslim calls to prayer? I've been plenty of places where they are, I would agree, a nuisance. But I've never seen a Muslim emerge from a mosque to harangue an atheistic passerby to make him/her come in and pray.<br /><br />magic underpants -- you referring to the freemasons? while they are deists, the "free" in the title intended to refer to freedom from the authority of the pope. I think they're nutty, too, but masons have a specific code that says they don't recruit. (At least they used to -- that may have changed.)<br /><br />xenophobia -- you'd have to give solid, fair evidence that theists are more xenophobic than atheists to substantiate that charge. <br /><br />irrational rules -- they are only irrational if one does not believe that belief itself is irrational. Therefore, it would seem to me, this charge is mere begging the question. (I assume you know the proper use of that idiom.)<br /><br />Have I satisfied the requirement of sticking to at least one of the threads? Not pretending that you will agree with anything I say -- just wondering if this qualifies.fliptophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399082676009573696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-36271896730189979982009-09-05T23:57:55.229-04:002009-09-05T23:57:55.229-04:00Flip,
Last request:
Stop posing new questions un...Flip,<br /><br />Last request:<br /><br />Stop posing new questions until you have respond to the refuting arguments tendered by respondents in the two threads in which youve been active.Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-77197801820509599062009-09-05T21:49:36.398-04:002009-09-05T21:49:36.398-04:00fliptop asked:
"Do you, or do you not, accep...fliptop asked:<br /><br />"Do you, or do you not, accept "testimony" or "narrative" as evidentiary?"<br /><br />Of course not. That is all just phony made up nonsense or delusional behavior.<br /><br />That behavior is a form of schizophrenia or is malevolent or drug induced.<br /><br />But two other issues. "evidentiary" is not a word.<br /><br />Also you did not respond to Hump's comment:<br /><br />"you can go back and reply to the many counter arguments to the subjects you initiated or you can leave".NewEnglandBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190715223856189053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-53612550229420438312009-09-05T21:03:59.963-04:002009-09-05T21:03:59.963-04:00OK. Here's a question that responds directly ...OK. Here's a question that responds directly to Rachelle's concern for EVIDENCE.<br /><br />Do you, or do you not, accept "testimony" or "narrative" as evidentiary?<br /><br />I'll leave it to that.<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />flipfliptophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399082676009573696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-12614012857574604972009-09-05T19:19:46.583-04:002009-09-05T19:19:46.583-04:00Parle,
For as long as I have my hump and a warm s...Parle,<br /><br />For as long as I have my hump and a warm stable in which to rest it, you'll have a place to call home on the internet.<br /><br />You handled yourself well in that message exchange. But i fear that in Bible Belt Texas there aren't enough working synapses for your reasoned arguments to be understood, much less responded to intelligently. <br /><br />HumpDromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-74031357228413590222009-09-05T19:09:32.221-04:002009-09-05T19:09:32.221-04:00Wow! I fell into a beatific place!
I'm const...Wow! I fell into a beatific place!<br /><br />I'm constantly on the hunt for appropriate responses to typical christian statements and I'm sure I've found a goldmine here when I scan the archives.<br /><br />Flip is a classic example of diversionary christian tactics and I'm familiar with his (male? yes) type and I no longer have patience with them.<br /><br />I am definitely past debate stage. I am after the fence-sitter and the teenager wondering if it's okay to break away from the indoctrination. Here's an example of what I'm attempting to do (some might find it boring): http://www.click2houston.com/news/20727445/detail.html<br /><br />I feel very comfortable here in humpville and I've been searching for a long, long time for sanctuary. : ) Thank you, folks!Parlemorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00081784724333374271noreply@blogger.com