tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post5566922227572989135..comments2024-01-15T04:46:58.572-05:00Comments on Atheist Camel: Christians Brace for Biggest Challenge to their Faith in 1900 Years: That Nasty Jesus Tomb Thing Ressurected, Again!Dromedary Humphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-32487694683829788182008-02-17T20:03:00.000-05:002008-02-17T20:03:00.000-05:00Thanks, anon...Interesting, but nothing new in tha...Thanks, anon...Interesting, but nothing new in that article. Almost all those objects were previously raised. <BR/><BR/>But, like i said...experts run the gamut from "no way" to "very possible". So Professor Craig goes into the "no way" catagory. It hardly puts an end to it based on his interpretation.<BR/><BR/>However, something telling. If you read the 2nd to the last paragraph in his article at the link you provided you find he injects into /fall back on his Xtian indoctrination, taking a sudden departure from his dispassionate and scientific approach that he fronts through the rest of the article.<BR/><BR/> He proposesthat there should have been some reference to "son of god" or "messiah" on the proported jesus ostuary, not just a simple "jesus son ofJoseph". He seems wilfully ignorant of the very likly fact that at the time of his death jesus would have been presumed to have been a venerated rabbi with radicle ideas about how Judaism should be followed, and not a the supernatural beng he was later made to be. <BR/><BR/>The god title would have been bestowed in the late first or early 2nd century, when the cult fathers wrote the gospel and endowed jesus with supernatural powers far beyond those of mortal men.<BR/><BR/>Only someone with a strong Christian prejudice would make the assumption that Jesus' contemporaries attributed to the deceased any godly powers...especially in light of the fact they had his corpse and buried it!! Remeber, with a corpse theres no supernatural ressurection story. There is no independent evidence of jesus god worship during his lifetime, other than post jesus' cultist, I mean, christian scripture... which was all written 60-200 years after jesus's demise.<BR/><BR/>HumpDromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-32271576739268548382008-02-17T19:36:00.000-05:002008-02-17T19:36:00.000-05:00Professor Craig Evans, who has done a lot of resea...Professor Craig Evans, who has done a lot of research into Jewish burial practices and Christianity, has written a response to the Lost Tomb of Jesus <A HREF="http://www.craigaevans.com/tombofjesus.htm" REL="nofollow">here</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-10222512583690756182008-02-17T14:03:00.000-05:002008-02-17T14:03:00.000-05:00PS: the tomb was a contribution by a local jesus ...PS: the tomb was a contribution by a local jesus follower, if you recall. jesus'family didnt have to pay for it. That contributor was at least middle class.<BR/><BR/>now what?Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-78772057422523727102008-02-17T14:01:00.000-05:002008-02-17T14:01:00.000-05:00Joyce, well, thats one archeologist's opinion.What...Joyce, well, thats one archeologist's opinion.<BR/><BR/>What makes real science different from blind belief and fake science is that these things undergo peer review by experts. The concensus of opinion determines whether or not a finding is authentic and is meaningful ... not just one expert's opinion.<BR/><BR/>That said... i don't necesarily believe it IS the jesus family tomb. I do believe the coincidences(assuming they werent manufactured, and I havnt heard anyone say they were), are remarkable and compelling. I didn't hear that experts' explanation for those coincidences. <BR/><BR/>What it seems he based his dismissal on was the Jeruseleum vs Galilie locale, which comepletly dismisses any possibilility the family relocated after the crucifixtion. Why? <BR/><BR/>And middle class vs what...lower class or upper class? Who's to say what "class" and how much money jesus' family, or his follwers accumulated, to justify the osturaries and the tomb?<BR/><BR/>But, time will tell what if anything comes from this.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the info.<BR/><BR/>HumpDromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-8645051046155070312008-02-17T13:09:00.000-05:002008-02-17T13:09:00.000-05:00Bar-Ilan University Prof. Amos Kloner, the Jerusal...Bar-Ilan University Prof. Amos Kloner, the Jerusalem District archaeologist who officially oversaw the work at the tomb in 1980 and has published detailed findings on its contents, on Saturday night dismissed the claims. "It makes a great story for a TV film," he told The Jerusalem Post. "But it's impossible. It's nonsense." <BR/><BR/>"There is no likelihood that Jesus and his relatives had a family tomb," Kloner said. "They were a Galilee family with no ties in Jerusalem. The Talpiot tomb belonged to a middle-class family from the 1st century CE." <BR/><BR/>So with the likelihood that Jesus' family never even had a family tomb ... well. *Yawn*Joycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01997133316132366203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-53644094473876429092008-02-16T16:01:00.000-05:002008-02-16T16:01:00.000-05:00Friend,yeah..well, if you call 4 weeks old...I gue...Friend,<BR/>yeah..well, if you call 4 weeks old...I guess so. <BR/> <BR/>Back my day when cave men transmitted news on the backs of mastadons, by carrying stone tablets from settlement to settlement, four weeks was considered pretty timely.<BR/><BR/>Of course, as we all know, its not the news per se that's important. You can get news anywhere. It's my sterling interpretation, critique and observations of the fallout from that news that endears me to my readership.<BR/><BR/>:p<BR/>HumpDromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-10007452602285650652008-02-16T11:38:00.000-05:002008-02-16T11:38:00.000-05:00Old newsOr listen to this<A HREF="http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=107869" REL="nofollow">Old news</A><BR/><BR/>Or <A HREF="http://bethinking.org/resource.php?ID=345" REL="nofollow">listen to this</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-68062312558695366912008-02-15T21:10:00.000-05:002008-02-15T21:10:00.000-05:00Well, Anon, I don't need to justify my atheism. W...Well, Anon, I don't need to justify my atheism. With no evidence of god, and god concept being counter to natural and physical laws, a lack of belief in god needs no more justification than does my lack of belief in gnomes or tribbles.<BR/><BR/>It's all rather simple, if you think about it. This presupposes that you think, and aren't simple.<BR/><BR/>As for wanting to see the Jesus tomb be the real thing...sure,you bet. Any new scientific discovery, that can be corroborated and confirmed with a high degree of certainity expands human knowledge. That's always a good thing. Of course, making Xtians like you having to swallow reality, and diminish your fantasy would make it just that much more enjoyable, almost priceless. :)<BR/><BR/>Lord Vader LIVES. May the Farce be with you.<BR/>HumpDromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-84740111693616934792008-02-15T20:29:00.000-05:002008-02-15T20:29:00.000-05:00you'd just love it if it was true right? then you...you'd just love it if it was true right? then you can justify you're atheisism. but its not true. they can never prove it. Why don't you just give it up. Jesus is Lord and He Lives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com