tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post7125779732746414791..comments2024-01-15T04:46:58.572-05:00Comments on Atheist Camel: Christianity & Morality: Revelation or Evolution?Dromedary Humphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-34928405490036243882010-02-11T09:23:14.465-05:002010-02-11T09:23:14.465-05:00Rasti..
Ouch!! science to a priest is like sunlig...Rasti..<br /><br />Ouch!! science to a priest is like sunlight to a vampire.<br />That musta hurt ;)Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-56628963725031697292010-02-11T07:15:30.004-05:002010-02-11T07:15:30.004-05:00@Anonymous
I really wanted out of that church. Ha...@Anonymous<br /><br />I really wanted out of that church. Half out of spite and half out of sane logic and reason. No one likes to be lied to for many years. And I would not be completely honest if I don't admit that the memory of the red faced priest gives me chuckles.<br /><br />He got a bit worked up during his attempt to make me reconsider. I threw science at him:)Rastifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09548179186486686584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-66137105357659525612010-02-09T19:43:24.950-05:002010-02-09T19:43:24.950-05:00Rastifan: Love your Avatar--GO TICK! USA atheist...Rastifan: Love your Avatar--GO TICK! USA atheist (GO HUMP!), confirmed Lutheran Church Missouri Synod a long time ago and still on the rolls. Easier to not argue and just disappear. PS: My grandparents were raised, confirmed, married, lived, raised their kids, died, were buried (LITERALLY) LCMS, in a cemetery opened at a church BUILT by those grandparents to bury my GREAT grandfather. I love them and am proud of them even if we didn't agree on religion. Then the mormons baptized them. Wonder if the mormons claim them too? The idea offends me at least twice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-20115908647219687472010-01-15T14:24:18.461-05:002010-01-15T14:24:18.461-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.DMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11389651479904502758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-33024576363080958632010-01-15T02:58:36.775-05:002010-01-15T02:58:36.775-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.DMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11389651479904502758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-33809720147511039972010-01-14T11:14:00.844-05:002010-01-14T11:14:00.844-05:00Kristian,
Kindle is Satan's handiwork!
I'...Kristian,<br /><br />Kindle is Satan's handiwork! <br />I'll check out your blog...you buy my book ;)<br /><br /><br />Contents said:<br /> "...or that somebody had to resort to summoning 'Ol Lucifer just to beat the French."<br /><br />Hahah!!Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-83237172005674826772010-01-14T00:52:44.381-05:002010-01-14T00:52:44.381-05:00@Dromedary
I don't know what's more surre...@Dromedary<br /><br />I don't know what's more surreal:<br /><br />That Robertson is SERIOUSLY blaming Haiti's earthquake on them invoking Satan to beat the French...<br /><br />...or that somebody had to resort to summoning 'Ol Lucifer just to beat the French.Contents under pressuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08150798234316773741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-14356148467941239592010-01-14T00:50:40.394-05:002010-01-14T00:50:40.394-05:00http://www.apatheism.net/
...is my blog. I've...http://www.apatheism.net/<br /><br />...is my blog. I've been contemplating on the god virus, but I have "Figments of Reality: The Evolution of the Curious Mind" by Jack Cohen and Ian Stewart on my to-do list before anything new.<br /><br />I also heard there's a book written by a camel out there, I should check that out too (providing I can get it through kindle)Kristianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17023294166925015807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-59400806543381133012010-01-13T23:31:48.536-05:002010-01-13T23:31:48.536-05:00Kristian,
Sure, feel free to link your blog here.
...Kristian,<br />Sure, feel free to link your blog here.<br /><br />Yes, I agree..it's adapt or die. <br /><br />I am currently reading "The God Virus." In it the author talks about the necessity for religions to adapt or die. Better to "morph" or mutate to more widely accepted thought and gain adherents, than to stick to fundamentalist interpretation and watch your sheeple drop out. <br /><br />Funny how those changes are determined by church heirarchy and not by the god that "inspired" the original rules.Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-31446187680853337672010-01-13T23:24:33.622-05:002010-01-13T23:24:33.622-05:00Hello Hump,
I recently also covered my views on r...Hello Hump,<br /><br />I recently also covered my views on religion and morality in my own blog (not sure if it's kosher to link here).<br /><br />I believe that religious morals evolve because they're affected by natural selection. As the morality of secular society shifts towards more and more liberal values, religion can either adapt, or die away.<br /><br />The gap between secular and religious morals affects how many followers a certain religion can attract. When religion lags behind, it has to attempt to define contemporary "acceptable" things as "evil" (like homosexuality) and contemporary "evil" things as "acceptable" (like racism).<br /><br />Eventually, a church has to adopt more modern views or the masses will refuse to follow it. You'd be hard pressed to find a huge following in the western world for a church that supports slavery and racism, and in the near future you'd be equally hard pressed to find a church that condemns homosexuality.<br /><br />I've grown up and live in somewhat secular parts of the world where atheists aren't that uncommon, so I rarely feel very strongly about issues of religion. However, I do have an interest to poke them with a stick and see how they tic.Kristianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17023294166925015807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-47351724891253115792010-01-13T21:29:11.329-05:002010-01-13T21:29:11.329-05:00Zar,
Holy shit!! Robertson did it again!!?? So m...Zar,<br /><br />Holy shit!! Robertson did it again!!?? So much for Christian empathy.<br /><br />I'm not surprised at how crazy he is, I knew this. But the fact that he doesn't know how crazy it makes him look to 95% of the planet is an absolute a wonder.<br /><br />When this asshat charlatan joins Jerry Falwell in his dirt nap, the average IQ of the USA will increase 5 points. The sooner the better.Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-45608853133753650082010-01-13T21:01:34.912-05:002010-01-13T21:01:34.912-05:00I know this is off topic, but you guys gotta check...I know this is off topic, but you guys gotta check this out. The great Pat Robertson has done it again. It would be hilarious if not so sad.<br /> http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/13/haiti.pat.robertson/index.html<br /><br />zarzartonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16327431316839912762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-20734400349583257162010-01-13T14:38:13.339-05:002010-01-13T14:38:13.339-05:00Hump said:
But, based on pew poll trends, we will...Hump said:<br /><br /><i>But, based on pew poll trends, we will at least be the majority here in the US within 80 years or so. My grand kids will see it.<br /></i><br /><br />Well, I suspect if trends continue, then Christians (of all types) will be a small minority in 80 years. <br /><br />On the downside, I predict that the level of Woo in 80 years will be the same or greater. A Woo believer may not believe in God(s), but still accepts way to many conspiracies and supernatural crap (especially considering how poor our educational system teaches critical thinking and logic skills. If it's in Wikipedia or gets a google result, then it MUST BE TRUE ).<br /><br />- FastthumbsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-15201982816150373242010-01-13T14:14:42.905-05:002010-01-13T14:14:42.905-05:00Rachelle,
I fear none of us will live to see relig...Rachelle,<br />I fear none of us will live to see religion's extinction.<br /><br />But, based on pew poll trends, we will at least be the majority here in the US within 80 years or so. My grand kids will see it.Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-41099394907052565502010-01-13T13:56:25.898-05:002010-01-13T13:56:25.898-05:00Hump said:" Eventually religion will become e...Hump said:" Eventually religion will become extinct as it fails to compete with reason and reality. Much like natural selection it’s simply a matter of survival of the fittest."<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />I hope I live to see that day. LOL!<br /><br />As for "biblical prophesies"...I agree with the others here...It's laughable. These Xian nut jobs could make a better case for themselves if their prophesies crossed over into other religious texts. You can't make predictions AND have them realized in the same text. That IS called a sequel. LOL! If Jesus had been killed in the Bible but then resurrected in the Koran...now THAT would be interesting. LOL! But then who would need Mohammad? LOL!Rachellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-47193493986148650322010-01-13T09:17:30.753-05:002010-01-13T09:17:30.753-05:00Rasti,
You are probably referring to the Pew Foru...Rasti,<br /><br />You are probably referring to the Pew Forum Poll. It's published annually and is considered to be pretty accurate.<br /><br />I'm sure there are some variations, but the concept of "registering" people into religions and thus having that influence the result is probably not a factor. The poll is actually people being questioned about their religious beliefs, so there is no records searching or anything like that.<br /><br />You may have noticed that New Hampshire is the 2nd least religious state in the US. I'm proud to say that's my state. The least religious is our next door neighbor, Vermont. Just under half the residents here and in VT are "non-believers, not religious." <br /><br />The latest polls show signifianct delcline nation wide in those calling themselves Chrisian...a 10 point drop in 11 years; while those calling themselves non religious increased 40% in the same time span.<br /><br />That's a good sign, albeit, we have a long way to go before we match Europe's level of acceptence of reality.Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-27825802084877858592010-01-13T01:23:42.371-05:002010-01-13T01:23:42.371-05:00@Contents
I misspoke (miswrote?)... Some of the l...@Contents<br /><br />I misspoke (miswrote?)... Some of the local RCC priests mildly support condom use - not the Brazilian Archbishops who tote the Vactican's line.<br /><br />See http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/257627,priest-suspended-in-brazil-for-defending-condom-use.html<br /><br />Afterall, this was still the RCC officials who excominicated doctors\nurses for performing an abortion on a 9 year old raped by her step-dad (in later statements the RCC stated the child was actually exempted from being excomunicated on grounds of her age. Appearently, old enough to be raped and bear children, but not old enough to be responsible for decisions about her reproductive tract)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-53316676899428636672010-01-13T01:03:27.841-05:002010-01-13T01:03:27.841-05:00A question to USA residents here. I was reading so...A question to USA residents here. I was reading some polls on the percentage of Christians in different US states.<br /><br />The public number of actual Christians here in Norway is as trustworthy as a catholic priest around choir boys. We are a secular nation by far these days. <br /><br />The problem is that kids get rolled in the church books by their parent’s wishes at a very young age, and are thus registered members of the church in question. I was rolled in to the Seventh-day Adventist Church as a child and had to actually argue with the one of their minister to get them to remove me from the registry when I was 19. Most kids who grow up never do this even if they come to reject the notion of god.<br /><br />And the churches are fine with this it seems. This is of course a question of membership and public support (the more the merrier) and boils down to what they really worship. The god mammon (riches).<br /><br />Is this a practice common in the US, and if so! Would it not suggest that the actual number of Christians in USA could be lower than one are led to believe reading polls based on church records?Rastifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09548179186486686584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-26077162036128046272010-01-12T22:57:30.103-05:002010-01-12T22:57:30.103-05:00@ Dromedary Hump
That's impossible since eve...@ Dromedary Hump <br /><br />That's impossible since everybody is a "little" insane. :D<br /><br />But I do agree on the matter of prosecuting them for their misdeeds, or at least have the gov't tax their asses off since they've obviously overstepped the line between church and state by directly interfering in legislation. <br /><br />@Fastthumbs<br /><br />Brazil's RCC encourages condom use? That's interesting, considering that the church here insists that ANY form of contraception, including condom use, is basically abortion.Contents under pressuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08150798234316773741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-80004321180827858542010-01-12T22:22:54.994-05:002010-01-12T22:22:54.994-05:00@Zarton
I agree. Hump is my favorite blogger. A...@Zarton<br /><br />I agree. Hump is my favorite blogger. And his book is excellent and should be on your bookshelf, if you haven't already purchased a copy.<br /><br />@Contents<br /><br />Interesting. In Brazil, the RCC encourages the distribution of condoms, although they rationalize this stance since it isn't a sin if used for health reasons (preventing HIV infection spreading). NPR had an hour of programming about the state of AIDS epidemics and how various contries were handling it. It seems rather atypical though.<br /><br />- FastthumbsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-74538361605670655612010-01-12T22:20:23.104-05:002010-01-12T22:20:23.104-05:00Content,
When I think of all the energy that is ex...Content,<br />When I think of all the energy that is expended by priests monitoring and managing peoples lives for the worse in order to satisfy a god that doesn't exist with illogic that flies in the face of reason I can only shake my head in disgust. That it is most heavily directed at the the poorest, the less educated, makes it all the more horrific. <br /><br />How many peoples lives could have been saved from HIV if not for the church's instruction against condoms? How many peoples lives and financial security would be improved if not for this crazy prohbition against contraception? <br /><br />If this world were fully sane, reasoned and ethical we'd procecute the Church for perpetrating the greatest fraud and injustice ever conceived. <br /><br /><br />Zar, <br />You keep talking like that and I'll have to write you into my will ;) Thanks for the compliment.Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-33540604303598806522010-01-12T21:28:56.563-05:002010-01-12T21:28:56.563-05:00I don't really have much to add here except to...I don't really have much to add here except to say that I have read every single "rant" you have ever written on this blog and I have to say this is the best one yet. At the risk of sounding like a suck up I have to say that you managed to succinctly wrap up what many authors have tried to do in endless volumes. Keep up the good work, you have raised the bar yet again :)<br />zarzartonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16327431316839912762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-5292883492061483582010-01-12T20:43:30.396-05:002010-01-12T20:43:30.396-05:00@longhorn
I guess it was also God's plan to m...@longhorn<br /><br />I guess it was also God's plan to make her a complete airhead, the laughing stock of the GOP, and to get her daughter pregnant at exactly around the time she started declaring her stance on Reproductive Health.<br /><br />Indeed, God works in mysterious (and rather twisted) ways. <br /><br />@Dromedary<br /><br />"Naturally, the third world, impoverished and ignorant countries will continue to embrace religion. And ofcourse that is going to represent a threat, as it already does, to the civilized/industrialized world. We need to be vigilant, and ready, willing and able to fight it."<br /><br />As a resident of Manila, I couldn't agree more. As the RCC loses more and more parishioners in the US and Europe, it seems that they're pulling out all the stops in keeping their believers in the Philippines. <br /><br />I have seen the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines continually lament the "secularization" of the Western world, which they claim leads to moral decay and blasphemy. <br /><br />What a load of bullshit - these are the same priests who have continually blocked any attempt at a reasonable Reproductive Health program, despite the fact that our country has a bloated population of nearly 94 million, most of whom are impoverished families who barely have anything to eat.<br /><br />These are the same priests that hoodwinked the population into voting politicians just because they're "God-fearing" men, nevermind if they are corrupt, arrogant, and chauvnistic wife-beaters.<br /><br />These are the same priests that have continually demonized the local gay community, branding them all sinners for simply being who they are.<br /><br />Granted that I have met priests with a more reasonable mindset (they're usually Jesuits), but even they think that mainstream Catholicism here is fucking retarded.Contents under pressuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08150798234316773741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-87286422589759556002010-01-12T19:03:54.314-05:002010-01-12T19:03:54.314-05:00Amen ;)Amen ;)longhorn believerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15520126985162930925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488651241352366915.post-4839285771308573802010-01-12T13:58:28.517-05:002010-01-12T13:58:28.517-05:00well..if it was god's plan to pick palin for v...well..if it was god's plan to pick palin for vp candidate...it must have been part of god's plan to elect Obama. ;)Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.com