Wednesday, May 9, 2012

If Atheists are un-American what do they call Christian Traitors?

During World War II the axis powers, Germany, Italy and Japan, broadcast radio propaganda to US troops, even to the US mainland. The idea was to undermine the morale of the Allies and instill anti-war feelings on the home front.  It wasn’t very successful.  In fact, it was a laughable endeavor. 

The most famous of these radio personalities were Iva Ikuko Toguri D'Aquino (pictured above right), who broadcast for Japan and came to be known as “Tokyo Rose”; Mildred Elizabeth Gillars, her German counterpart, referred to by Allied troops as “Axis Sally”(above left); and   Rita Luisa Zucca, the Italian propagandist, also called “Axis Sally” (you’d have thought they could have found another name, like “Fascist Fatima”)

These women shared four fundamental similarities.  All three were US citizens, raised in the US by immigrant parents; all abandoned their homeland to live among the enemies of the US and offer them their services.  All three were tried for treason after the war, convicted and did varied time in prison. But of particular interest to me -all three were Christians.

Tokyo Rose was a Methodist. Rita Zucca and Mildred Gillars were both Catholics.  Rita was even educated in a convent. But then, the vast majority of the Third Reich and Italian Fascists were good Christians as well.

There are many other famous US Xtian traitors, also Muslims, Jews, and probably atheists - although in my research I couldn’t find any specific designation of atheist among the top ten American traitors.

Given the infamous record of Jesus worshiping home grown turn coats, you’d think that flag waving self righteous Christians would be more circumspect before they branded fellow Americans as un-American just because we don’t buy into supernatural foolishness.

No doubt right wing flag pin wearing “Love it or Leave it” shouting fundie Xtians will protest and say their traitor brethren in Christ weren’t “true Christians.”  But since Jesus wasn’t an American, and cared only if they accepted him as their Lard and Slaver, he wouldn’t have given a fiddler’s damn about their politics.  It’s just common sense.  But then again, common sense doesn’t compute with fundies.

Bottom line: professing belief in resurrected man-gods, going to religious schools, wearing a cross around ones neck or planting crosses on public land doesn’t make one a patriot or “true American.” It just makes one a religionist as prone to selling out one’s homeland as anyone.  History is proof of that.


David Evans said...

That's interesting. The Germans also broadcast propaganda to the UK. The best-known broadcaster was William Joyce aka Lord Haw-Haw, who was born of a Protestant mother and an Irish Catholic father. But then, I suppose most people were nominally Christian at that time.

Den!s said...

I suggest that it was treated as a political event back then. I don't think religion played as big a part in the news,.... and we were not connected like we are today. So I just don't think that the particular religious bent of a person was considered like it might be today. They were traitors, regardless of their religion. I'm repeating myself

Laci The Dog said...

Don't forget Timothy McVey.

Remember that they wanted to make the Oklahoma City Bomber a Muslim.

The problem is that this has come into the debate fairly recently with the rise of the religious right.

Don't forget Sinclair Lewis’s rather famous quote on facism that:

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Dromedary Hump said...

I rec'd the email from a rather perturbed Xtian this morning.

Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:22 AM
Subject: Atheistcamel website

A full website devoted to your bitter hate in a god you don't even believe in? If you don't believe he is there, why hate him so much?
Can't you just go on your marry way, sure of your own beliefs and call it good?

Either way, I say if your so against us being a Christian nation..well there are plenty of other countries that aren't, so instead of devoting time into changing our nation, why not save your breath and just get out? To a country that doesn't have Christian roots and influence?

As you can tell I'm a little bothered.

My brother was killed in afghanastan and he proudly died under our flag, and I will tell you, he was a Christian, and he died in defense of our nation and it's Christian roots. So when people try to change it, it upsets me a bit.

Anyway one last point, before you jump to "your a hypocrite! Implying yourself as being a Christian and telling me to get the heck out of my country" just know this, I am not a follower of Christ because I am perfect, I am not a follower of Christ because I THINK I'm perfect, I am not a follower of Christ because I want to haughtily look down at others with my nose up in the air....I follow Christ because I screw up and mess up and sin..and I need Him because I myself can not do it on my own. I know God exists, I know it, I've seen things in my life and I feel His presence. And as much as this probably enrages you.. I am going to be praying for you. Weather you choose to respond to this email or not. I just want to pray for God to reveal himself to you.

Gabe Gause
P.S. If it does upset you that I'm praying for you, think about it, what's it bother you, I'm praying to a God that doesn't exist anyway right?

Dromedary Hump said...

My reply to Gabe:

Hi Gabe,
I read the first sentence of your email and stopped because it is so typically Xtian insipid.

I know as a believer that this is difficult for you to understand, and I've written about it a number of times, but atheists don't hate god. It would be patently stupid to hate god as much as it would be to hate Jabba the Hutt, Jean Val Jean, Moby Dick, Dracula, Ganesh, Isis, or any of the many millions of imaginary beings and creatures man as invented over the centuries.

What I hate are the morons who use their delusion to impose their idiocy, injustice, intolerance, and irrational fears on others...either through governmental intrusion, or though proselytizing; and who deny scientific evidence or re-write history to support an agenda.

You know... people like you

Now, what I will do is copy and paste your email into my blog comments...with your email address... so all my readers can appreciate the idiocy and proof positive stupidity of mindless right wing Xtianity first hand. Assuming they can get beyond the first sentence.


I forgot to tell him that his little passive aggressive platitude "I'll pray for you" is just fine with me... and that in return I'll think for him.

Dromedary Hump said...

Oh...I agree. you may have misunderstood me. I would never suggest that ones religion influenced their decision to become a traitor. Yes, it was entirely a political decision on their part.

I only raise the issue of their Xtianity as evidence that religion is not a guarantor of patriotism, nor the lack of religion an indicator of being unpatriotic.

Chatpilot said...

Let us not forget either that the Catholic church was in bed with the third Reich. In fact, they actually aided in helping a lot of Hitler's top aides secretly escape the country to avoid being tried for war crimes.

Regarding the email from Gabe all I can say is that I did read it in its entirety and found it to be full of various errors. As you pointed out Hump it is not possible to hate God since we don't believe in his existence.

What I do hate is when Christian's ignorantly state that this nation was either founded on Christianity or as Gabe puts it; has "Christian roots." It never has and it wasn't.

I served my country as a U.S. Marine in 87' there were no wars then but I answered the call anyway. What does that have to do with whether I believe in an imaginary guy in the sky or not? Hats off to your brother Gabe for making the ultimate sacrifice to help secure our freedoms.

Finally, Gabe all of your reasons for serving God are based on your believing your delusion and what it has to say about you. As far as I'm concerned you could pray for me until you get arthritis in the knees and it does not matter and it wont make a difference either way. I have so many people praying for me all the time. I guess God just doesn't want me back. Actually, it's the other way around.

Anonymous said...

Don't know about Tokyo Rose, but since Hitler thought God was on his side, Axis Sally could have thought of herself as doing the Lord's work.

When Hitler survived a bomb assassination attempt, instead of feeling depressed, he felt ecstasy, repeating over and over, "Think of it. Nothing happened to me. Just think of it. . ." He thought of himself as fated by Providence. On July 20, 1944, he remarked that it "only confirmed the conviction that Almighty God has called me to lead the German people-- not to final defeat but to victory." [Toland p. 799]

Engineer of Knowledge said...

Hello Hump,
Let us not forget a former seminarian priest in the Russian Orthodox Christianity Church from Georgia, Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili…… who later became known as Joseph Stalin.

Laci has said it so accurately, American Fascism will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. Right now they are calling themselves "Conservative Christian Republicans." Don't forget your little American Flag Lapel Pin to demonstrate your proof of loyalty.

Engineer of Knowledge said...

Hello Hump,
A subject I love to pass onto the right wing flag pin wearing “Love it or Leave it” shouting fundie Xtians is their saying came from Carl Schurz:

Carl Schurz (March 2, 1829 – May 14, 1906) was a German revolutionary, American statesman and reformer, and Union Army General in the American Civil War. He was also an accomplished journalist, newspaper editor and noted orator, who in 1869 became the first German born American elected to the United States Senate.

During his later years, Schurz was perhaps the most prominent independent in American politics, noted for his high principles, his avoidance of political partisanship, and his moral conscience.

He is famous for saying: “My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right."

So I am sure it does not come to any surprise to any of us that the Extreme Right Wing Religious Wing Nuts are using the quote in the wrong context. In fact the original quote has the exact opposite meaning than the way they are using it……GO FIGURE!?!?!?

I had this quote from a Tea Party Member passed onto me and I just had to pass it onto you…… This one statement about the Bible by a Tea Party member kind of says it all for me:
“If the King James version was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for me!”

Stupidity in Full Bloom!!!

Dromedary Hump said...

good info, I learned something.
Oh...not about the Tea Baggers, I always knew they were given to scriptural and self imposed stupidity... about the famous phrase and personage.

Anonymous said...

This just in ... Tokyo Rose's Christianity is to blame for her lies and deceitful propaganda!

you all are worse than most christian fundamentalists...

Dromedary Hump said...

Anon (brave name by the way),

The point was lost on you, but given that you're evidently a religionist I am unsurprised. But perhaps you werde Laughing Out Loud so hard you deprived your brain of oxygen. Let me help you:

No... her Xtianity is not to blame. That was precisely my point. You see, atheists are no more unAmerican because of their having no belief in the supernatural, than Tokyo Roses' unAmerican actions are attributable to her relgion.

Now ponder that for a few minutes. Ask a 12 year old to explain it to you. Then think before you type. Or better yet, use your hand to masturbate instead since you likely do that better than thinking.